Why We Don’t Need Religion To Be Good People

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It is a mantra chanted by the secular populace since Adam and Eve first covered their nakedness; it never ceases to be repeated ad nauseum.

“We are reasonable people, give to charity, and display the right amount of manners in public. There are so many reasons in light of being good people who follow a moral code who don’t necessarily need the Catholic Church to get us to that point.”

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It is of course, right to hold this position and even scripture supports it, but there is a need for religion which I will explain in a moment. First things first, we need to explain the position of the Church to those who dismiss it.

The law of God, inscribed upon our hearts means we will inevitably and in some deficient form, follow the rules of Christ. It’s still not a good position to hold because we leave ourselves open to judgment. St.Paul tells us, God judges those who obey the message according to their conscience.

“(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.”

St.Paul, Book of Romans, Chapter 2, verses 14-16

Sadly, many Catholics who no longer go to Church fail to recognize the error. We don’t go to Church to learn how to be good people, but to save our souls. Without the Body of Christ, he says himself we will never have life in us.

The concept that we are “good” is always highly debatable. There’s no such thing as a pure person without God. Charitable, yes, good-mannered in the public forum, yes but…without sin? Impossible. Such level of perfection where our pride, envy, anger, avarice, sloth, greed and lust are absent is rare. We can be good without religion but can become even better when we take part in the sacraments of the Church.

If our Catechesis goes no further than looking at the Church as being a handbook on how to be a virtuous person, is it any wonder we struggle with such arguments. These quarrels devised by Catholics indifferent to their faith need responding to but if we are blind ourselves, how can we help? In such trying situations, we stare at our feet in an awkward silence hoping the conversation may change to something more reasonable.

The mission we Christians have, then, is helping people examine themselves more closely. We do this in the hope the general public realize they’re not as unique as they think they are. If I may digress, Some even willfully delude themselves into believing Gods presence encompasses the entire world, not just the Church, so why go? We go because, while the atmosphere is full of water, when we are thirsty, it makes sense to visit the fountain. Church is the same concept. God wraps himself around the world, but only at the altar do our soul’s hunger and thirst get satiated.

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5 thoughts on “Why We Don’t Need Religion To Be Good People

  1. Steve, a Catholic Christian isn’t too happy that non-christians (including people who he is sure aren’t “really” Christians) don’t agree with him, especially atheists. He tries to argue that only those who agree with him can be good people. He starts with this bit about what atheists supposedly think. “We are reasonable people, give to charity, and display the right amount of manners in public. There are so many reasons in light of being good people who follow a moral code who don’t necessarily need the Catholic Church to get us to that point.”secular republic, book of life, chapter of indifference

    That paragraph doesn’t make much sense as written. That second sentence is a mess. Alas, for Steve, most atheists (and theists who don’t agree with him) aren’t “indifferent”, and we do indeed give to charities (aka we aren’t indifferent), and have a moral code. Our manners generally are appropriate. No one needs Steve’s version of the Christian god. Steve can’t even convince other Christians that he has the one true version of the religion.

    He claims, like ever so many Christians do, that the law of God is “inscribed on our hearts”. Of course, not all Christians agree on what this law entails, so, his claim that we might follow it is simply silly. This claim that this god is responsible for human action is the usual theist claim that everyone “really” agrees with them and their god and only their god is responsible for the idea of “good”.

    What comes next is very typical of what Christians claim, no matter what sect they are. Each Christian claims that without the “Body of Christ” we are worthless, but only their version of the “body of Christ”.

    Steve also tries to claim this: “There’s no such thing as a pure person without God”. Again, this is the notion of a person who thinks that he is extra special and some magical being agrees with him and approves of him e.g. only those who agree with him are “pure” (free from moral fault or guilt – merriam webster). Steve, like so many Christians, needs the idea of sin and that only his version of his god can free us of this thing that Christians invent. Their god needs a job. There is no evidence at all that we can be better people believing like Steve does. Eating god flesh and drinking god blood doesn’t make a difference in how we act. We can see that from what Catholics do, including what Steve does.

    I do like this from Steve, “In such trying situations, we stare at our feet in an awkward silence hoping the conversation may change to something more reasonable.” Well, they do stand in awkward silence hoping that people will agree with them and hope that no one will point out how their claims fail. And again, we have Steve trying to insist that anyone but him isn’t reasonable and anyone but him is “indifferent” to their faith. Bearing false witness is so very Christian it seems.

    Steve thinks that his mission is to help people examine themselves more closely. How he thinks he does this when making false accusations is anyone’s guess. What Steve wants is that people agree with him, for he wants them to think that they are sinners and need him and his god. For someone who wants other people to think themselves not “unique”, it’s amazing how unique Steve thinks he is from every other Christian or most theists. Steve thinks everyone needs his version of his religion, as does nearly every other theist.

    It’s up to the theist to show that their claims are true. With Christians, it starts with showing that they can heal like their bible promises any baptized believer in Christ as savior can do. If they can’t, we are stuck with a problem. Is the Christian claiming things wrong? Is the bible wrong? We always hear how things are interpreted “wrong” if they don’t agree with the theist’s claims. That theists disagree with each others’s claims is also a problem since all claim that their god/holy spirit is giving them the only “right” information.

    Steve’s church is no more the “fountain” than any other Christians or any other theists. If his god is stuck in a building to actually do anything, then one has to wonder why this god can’t prevent priests from raping children in that building. Humans do good; humans fail to do good. No god needed.

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  2. Gods moral code is not inscribed on anyone’s heart, mind, or anything and there is ample proof to display that. Morality is a learned behavior and seldom unlearned. Feral children that were raised by various species prove this beyond any reasonable doubt.

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    1. Gods laws are inscribed upon the heart but as I explain in my post not everybody obeys them. They’re then judged according to their obedience of some of the law. There is also the ignorance that has to be taken into account. The reason we don’t always obey them is our proclivity to sin.

      Therefore when people such as the Aztecs sacrifice their children to some ”god” then we can safely say they are acting in ignorance. This is Catholic theology.

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      1. You’re entire premise is debunked by feral children. Morality is a learned behavior and seldom is it unlearned except by injury, disease, etc. People adjust their “god imprinted” morality dependent on where they were born, and it the cases of children raised by animal groups, they do not reunite with human society (capture and force) and become human in the social sense ever. God is not imprinted anywhere whatsoever. Morality is a learned behavior over many generations and can be reversed in one

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      2. What premise? You’re inventing an argument that I’ve never made. I did not say that people automatically obey the ten commandments simply because the law is there in our hearts. I am saying that people who grow up in ignorance of the Lords law, will be judged by how well they obeyed either some or sadly very little of it.

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